BYD Auto: $5,000 off Entire Range - Dolphin from $35,000, Seal from $54,000, Sealion 7 from $63,000 @ BYD Dealers

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BYD are repeating their June deal.

https://www.cheapies.nz/node/51811

T&C here:

https://www.bydauto.co.nz/terms-condition

Also of note, at 7pm BYD are announcing the pricing of the Atto 1 (called Seagull or Dolphin surf in other markets) It's base trim is AUD25,000 across the ditch, so people are hoping for NZD30,000 of less here. Likely that deliveries will start next year, so it won't be covered under the run out deal. Two other models are also having price announcements.

Atto1 base: $29,990
Atto1 top trim: $35,990

Atto2 base $39,990
Top trim not announced

Sealion 5 (PHEV): 39,990
Top trim not announced

First ship for these cars is due Christmas day, so unlikely it will stack with the runout deal.

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  • +3

    Atto 1 (Seagull / Dolphin Surf) starting from $29,990

    Atto 2 starting from $39,990

    SeaLion 5 starting from $39,990

    • +1

      That's too high. Would've thought Atto1 be around 25k new. That Would've put them into the swift market

      • +1

        It's AUD25,000 in aus, which works out to $28,750. Add a little for more distant shipping, and our stronger CGA protection, and I think $30k is about right.

        • +1

          Higher GST here too

        • +2

          Understand that bit, however I feel like they price Atto1 too much in AU/NZ.

          Given that it's around NZD20k in Asia (I'm aware, they're bigger market so can probably lower the profit a bit), they could've drop the price by 5k, which is then put them into the new Swift market, which would put Atto1 into their segment easily.

          • @spam: its expensive in anz lets see if they do some deals in the future

          • @spam: Depends where in Asia. In the Philippines (just because I sat in one in a manila showroom), it's PHP 898,000. Works out to NZD27,000

            Should also note there is a heap of variation in cars between market's. Philippines version is 3780mm long, Indonesia version is 3925mm long, NZ version is 3990mm long. Philippines version (only one trim offered) is 55 kW, vs 65 kW for the base NZ version. Philippines version gets alloy wheels (vs steel wheels on NZ base trim).

            I think the $30k base is quite a reasonable price level, Cheapest list price of an EV in NZ off all time. (but stuff like the GWM Ora did have specials that undercut this).

            Wonder if BYD have set their pricing such that they can continue to have twice a year, $5k off the entire range specials like they did this year. That would create a stir if they run the same feildays promotion as they did this year again.

      • +1

        Anybody buying a new car should work out the total cost of ownership over ~3 - 5 year period.

        Depreciation will be a bitch either way, but the Swift will burn (running the 5.2l/100km, 14,000 km per year) with consume about $2k of fuel + ~$200 of other consumables per year.

        Hold the car 3-5 years, and the Atto works out cheaper (assuming RUCs will apply to the Swift within the next few years).

        • It's crazy to think my 2016 8-seater Honda Odyssey Hybrid gets better fuel economy than a 2025 Suzuki Swift.

          Fuel only vehicles have no reason to still exist.

          • @danvelopment: You need to allow for the hybrid battery replacement cost as well dividing by xx years to the annual fuel cost. Not sure how much of a difference that makes to the fuel economy.

            • @kiwijunglist: As a general rule, in private use and outside of the tropics, non plug in hybrid batteries last the life of the vehicle. My RX400h is still going strong (70% + health) at 19 years old and 230,000km.

              But an active aftermarket does exist thanks to the taxi industry. Can do cells, or whole aftermarket packs. Latter might wipe out a year or two of fuel savings.

            • @kiwijunglist: The Odyssey is 9 years old now and has done 180,000km on its original battery and shows no signs of stopping.

              I've seen refurb Prius batteries for ~$1500.

              But let's throw a high estimate out there and say I had to replace it for $5k at 200,000km.

              200,000km at 21km/L = 9500L of fuel
              9500*2.4 = $22,800.
              +5k = $27800
              /2.4 = 11500L of fuel equivalent
              200,000/11500 = 17L/KM equivalent with a $5000 battery replacement at 200,000km

              So if I replace the battery at 200,000, which I don't think I'll need to, then the 2025 Swift edges out a 2.4L, 2.5 tonne 8 seater that's 9 years it's senior at 17 vs 19km/L…if I pay 5k for a battery at 200,000km.

              There's other factors in favour of the Odyssey, though, but I'll ignore them because I still consider it a large win for the Odyssey, but a non-exhaustive list:
              - little to no brake wear
              - much longer lasting engines (hybrid engines have done far fewer KMs than the car, which is why Prius and stuff regularly do like 500,000+ KM, they also only get "good" loads, no low speed stuff)

              By comparison, the non-hybrid Odyssey gets 10.6km/L

              Which indicates what the hybrid Swift could be capable of. My 2015 Aqua easily netted 27km/L, and the new ones are supposed to do >30km/L easy.

              Basically, fuel only vehicles have no reason to exist anymore.

          • @danvelopment: I have a 2022 mild hybrid swift as a loan car while our leaf is getting some repairs. Adequate, but quite underwhelming.

            You need to work that 1.2 L engine seriously hard to flow with traffic.

            Fuel economy is worse than I expected. 10.3 L/100km after a return trip across the SUV. Something my 2006, 200 kW SUV (abet full hybrid & running 95 RON) would do at about 8 - 9L/100km. Little better after a motorway run today, but still north of 8L/100km showing on the dash. Thought a subcompact would easily beat the lexus even being a mild hybrid.

            • @scott: Wild, earlier this year I had a 5L NA, 430HP Lexus LS600h that weighed 2.5 tonne and it got better than that at 10.8km/L combined around Auckland.

              Sold it to buy the Odyssey as the boot was too small for our pram.

              • @danvelopment: I now think the "Hybrid" bit in the mild hybrid Suzuki's really sucks (air con doesn't even work when the engine is off). So you get non hybrid like fuel consumption in heavy traffic. I can't edit my prior comment now, but the 10.3 L/100km was for a return trip from parnell to westhaven accorss the Auckland CBD.

                Number is dropped to 7.4 L/100km with my trip home on the motorway today.

                • @scott: Yeah my opinion is mild hybrids are greenwashing, I don't consider them actual hybrids.

                  When I say "hybrid" (as opposed to plug-in hybrids) I mean what Toyota, Honda and BYD have, full parallel hybrid systems that can drive the vehicle using exclusively the electric motor, the petrol motor, or both.

                  Inline-hybrids count as well, but only Nissan has those (e-Power).

                  Range extenders I would class under plug-in hybrids.

                  Mild hybrids are like Start/Stop engines, sure they're better than nothing, but I wouldn't consider them a decision making factor.

                  • @danvelopment: I never drove a mild hybrid before the Suzuki. (and normally we have a EV and a full hybrid in the driveway)

                    I know on paper it sucks compared to a full hybrid, but still was underwhelmed in real life.

                    But I asked the insurer for a electric or hybrid car, and (despite having none in stock the day prior), they delivered on my request….

        • GrantBNZ you assume RUC will apply to the swift yet you also inclue fuel tax in your calculations. Once ice cars pay RUC the petrol price will drop.

  • +1

    What's the better buy? Atto 1 Premium $35,990 or Dolphin Essential $35,000?

    • Dolphin Essential looks like a larger car, but the range and performance of Atto 1 Premium are better.

    • Personally I'd probably take the dolphin for the bigger size. The atto 1 looks good enough but it's pretty small. Over 40kWh is probably enough battery for most people most of the time especially in a run about town or commuter vehicle. We've coped having 2 30kWh cars with zero petrol in our life and while there's the off day it can be frustrating if we had one with 40kWh worth of range that just wouldn't come up for us.

    • +2

      NZ dolphin specs here:

      https://www.bydauto.co.nz/storage/uploads/11745856-5e54-42db…

      Aust Atto 1 specs here (no NZ specs released yet):

      https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2026-byd-atto-1-full-s…


      As to what is better, it really depends on your use case. Do you want 3.99m long car or a 4.29m long car?

      I think the Atto 1 looks better (especially in sprout green).

      But generally you get more for your money with the dolphin at the current discount.

      Dolphin is a bigger car, and seats 5.

      Dolphin essential is much slower (70 kW & 12.3s 0-100 time), vs the atto1 premium (115 kW, 9.1s 0-100 time).

      Dolphin essential has bigger battery (44.9 kWh vs 43.2 kWh), and more range 340 km wltp vs 310 km wltp.

      Dolphin essential misses out on heated front seats, and electronic folding mirrors, but gets some features normally only found on high trims like a 360 camera, and power adjusting seat's.

      Dolphin essential gets 6 speakers (vs 4 in the Atto 1)

      I think the Atto 1 looks way better.

      Atto 1 charges faster (85 kW vs 60 kW)

    • Exactly our dilemma as well, though we would prefer Atto 1 Premium vs Dolphin Premium $43,990 special.
      8k is a lot of extra money, but the Dolphin is probably the better car and deal, larger battery, more range, more power, more space, just slightly bigger in size, we just want a small runabout car.
      Ideally we would prefer a MG4 as have test driven one and was awesome, RWD and power was great, but they still at 50k to 56k for their Premium 64kW and 77kW versions and dealers don't want to budge on pricing.
      There is the awesome Nio Firefly supposedly coming this way but probably not until later next year.
      Quite tricky to decide,

  • +8

    The real cheapie trick is to give it another 18 months - if its anything like Tesla or other EVs, will be half the price. 2022 Model Ys are going for 35k and not selling well on Trademe (I know, I have one), cost 80k new. Polestars just not moving.

    • I think it's affecting lots of other types of cars though, not just EVs.
      If you look at a 2022 BMW X1 S20i, it sells for roughly the same as a used Model Y, and has significantly less kms than a used 35k Model Y would.

      • It isn’t affecting Toyota Rav 4s. The environment for buying EVs in NZ has totally shifted due to the policies of the new government. It will probably come back to bite NZ in the future. But we also have to sort out power generation for running a large EV fleet and if power prices keep rising it makes them even less attractive.

        • +1

          if power prices keep rising it makes them even less attractive.

          Power prices will have to rise a hell of a lot though, to make the cost of running them comparable to a combustion engine.

        • Hybrid RAV4s are definitely a weird bubble of their own! Mildly insane that even base spec GXs that are 4–5 years old are still $30k unless seriously north of 100,000kms (was thinking about getting one but can’t make the numbers stack up).

    • whats happening in 18 months?

      in the market for one but $30 k is quite a bit to splash on a car for me.

      • +3

        I think he's saying that in 18 months, the depreciation will kicks in and people will (that can) upgrade their "new" car to a new car and that's when we cheapies buy their 18-months old car as our new car

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