Hyperfibre 2000/2000 for $99/month?

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  NovaAlpha on 19/07/2024 - 18:21

  +1

  I don't get why people go for these hyper fibre deals. 99% of users are just consumers, it's not like you're actually going to benefit from the extra speed.

  People need to realize that just because you get 1000 or 2000 Mbps down, doesn't mean your Netflix and Youtube will magically stream 100x faster. You're still limited by the server side. 300 Mbps is plenty for almost all use cases and not many services out there even support 1000 Mbps upload, which would make your download speed useless. Unless you're hosting something and providing some sort of service to thousands of users, e.g. you're hosting a Plex server or whatever and letting a bunch of people stream from you, then it makes no sense to get hyper fibre.

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    ace310 on 19/07/2024 - 21:19

    Totally agree. Secondly, I don't know of any consumer devices which have more than 1 gigabit network capability for standard users(except for newer mini pcs). Unless you have a server or some sort of high end network which can utilize that speed.

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      NovaAlpha on 19/07/2024 - 22:26

      +2

      Actually, consumer device isn't the bottleneck. Wifi 802.11ac, which came out 11 years ago, already supports up to 6933 Mbps. I would say 99% of the world is already on 802.11ac. Then you have 802.11ax and that can go up to 10 Gbps. Your router's ethernet cable for uplink would probably be the bottleneck. Assuming most household are using Cat 5e, the max uplink rate would be 1 Gbps. But Cat 6 is pretty common nowadays and it's cheap, which would give you 10 Gbps.

      It's almost always the case that consumer devices would support the latest standard, whether it's Wifi, Bluetooth, whatever. The problem is simply there aren't really any "consumer" based services out there that would require you to be using hyper fibre.

      I think the average user who would get this are the ones with the mindset that the faster the connection, the better. Little do they know that having good networking setup and equipment is more important than the upstream connection itself. If their router is so far away that the Wifi signal becomes weak, then their phone would probably be getting like 50 Mbps or something.

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        Steve113 on 25/07/2024 - 15:26

        +1

        Assuming most household are using Cat 5e, the max uplink rate would be 1 Gbps.

        Actually most people don't know this, but Cat 5e can pull up to 10 gbps if it's a short run (under 45m).

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        scott on 21/07/2024 - 21:35

        Really world 802.11ac speeds are much lower than theoretical.

        Just ran speed tests on my phone(S24 Ultra) & My work laptop ($4200 mobile workstation thinkpad) with my ASUS 802.11ac router (S24 Ultra).

        Phone got 396 Mbps down, 215 Mbps up, laptop got 463.2 Mbps down, 191.6 up. They are about 300mm from the router for this test. Take my phone a couple of rooms away, and the speed drops to 305 Mbps down, 118 Mbps up.

        Haven't tested it myself, but understand that 750Mbps down is a great real world result from Wifi 6.

        And despite your comments about standard, WiFi 7 gear is rare. The I specifically looked to try and get it on my work laptop and the new laptop I got for my wife a few weeks back, but there was noting with it and the other attributes we wanted.

        If somebody wants to max out a hyperfiber connection, really they need a multigig wired network. Up until recently the multigig networking gear was very expensive. It's come into the price range of home users now, but is still far from cheap.

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          NovaAlpha on 21/07/2024 - 21:52

          @scott: I agree that real world speed is slower than theoretical, but I've had much better throughput before in my previous tests at a friend's place. It depends on a lot of things, such as router configuration, whether you're doing the test while others in the house are streaming or torrenting or whatever, what server you're connected to, whether there's any other interference from nearby Wifi SSIDs (especially if you're in an apartment with really close neighbours), etc. Not to mention the ethernet cable you're using for upstream, among other things.

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            scott on 21/07/2024 - 21:59

            @NovaAlpha: I get north of 800 down consistently with ethernet plugged in, so I am confident that I am not bottlenecking upstream of my combined AP / router.

            But yeah, my router is an older consumer grade one, and I am in suburban Auckland (with 10+ SSID's in range), and I didn't do an isolation test. Still think my results are typical for a 802.11ac test (or even optimistic given the router sits on my desk, meaning the range is super short).

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              NovaAlpha on 21/07/2024 - 22:15

              @scott: It sounds like there's something wrong. My friend is on a gigabit plan and he gets ~900 Mbps consistently and he's not on a multi-gig network.

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                scott on 21/07/2024 - 22:40

                @NovaAlpha: Just ran the test on my partners machine (we have some docking station issues, so my computer is currently on Wi-Fi)

                931 down, 513 up, 3ms ping to 2talk Auckland via 2 degrees at the moment (not isolation, my partner is streaming TV downstairs).

                Last few year's I have been restricted to about 800 down, due to 2 degrees insisting on PPPOE, and my router not having enough grunt to handle that. (got ~950 on Vodafone prior via DHCP). Ultimately decided this was fast enough not to be worth swapping hardware (or ISP). Thankfully 2 degrees has now allowed DHCP, so my speed i more, but I had forgotten the number, and didn't think it was worth firing up another PC to test.

                My router is a ASUS RT-AC68U, which is pity dated by modern standards, but it has been rock solid stable, and outperformed the free router that 2 degrees sent out, so I have kept it.

                Gigabit ethernet won't bottleneck a gig fiber plan, but will bottleneck a hyper fiber plan

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                  NovaAlpha on 21/07/2024 - 22:52

                  @scott: Yeah, on gigabit fiber, that result sounds about right. There's always some overhead loss expected, so you'll never really get 1Gbps.

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                    scott on 21/07/2024 - 23:00

                    @NovaAlpha: Frankly I haven't been able to notice the difference since 2 degrees allowed me to switch to PPPOE, but it is great to have 900+ speed test results again.

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          ace310 on 21/07/2024 - 22:09

          @scott: Not bragging. I consistently get around 800mbps/450mbps on my iPhone 13 pro. Using asus gt-ax6000. I do have multi-gig network at home, but it is still wifi 6.

          You might need to optimize the network maybe?

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            scott on 21/07/2024 - 22:45

            @ace310: My Wifi is 802.11ac (Wifi 5), so my Wi-Fi results are about as good as I could hope for.

            For the ethernet figure, I understated it as I couldn't be bothered doing a test. Have now run a test (930 down, with a TV streaming downstairs). Not quite as good at the ~950 results I would get from Vodafone when I was with them years ago, but within the area of what is expected.

            I think I should upgrade my Wi-Fi however. But generally everything but the phones & tablets is hardwired, so I haven't thought it worth the effort. Likely will skip Wifi 6 and go straight to Wifi 7, but that gear is fairly expensive.

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              ace310 on 21/07/2024 - 23:45

              @scott: Sounds good. Sorry I somehow understood it was ax router rather than ac.

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  Alan6984 on 17/07/2024 - 14:12

  I've never used 360net myself, so I can't comment in that regard.

  In general, I prefer not to bundle things, as it can make it harder / more complex to move away (which is obviously what the suppliers want, and fair enough too!)

  I tend to move most of my utilities every time they come up for renewal (or at the very least, I look around for a better deal), which means that, simplistically, I get a 'bribe' from the new supplier each year, and one for each 'thing' that I move (electricity, internet, insurance, mobile etc).

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    drtekk on 17/07/2024 - 15:25

    Yeah the bribes from the new supplier has always been too good to pass up but now it isn't always the best option.

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      Alan6984 on 17/07/2024 - 15:37

      Yeah the bribes from the new supplier has always been too good to pass up but now it isn't always the best option.

      Well, pretty much, you'd only go with it, if it is the best option :-)

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  Garciahigh on 17/07/2024 - 14:38

  I can see why you're tempted, for Hyperfibre that seems like a fantastic deal. I gotta laugh at the 360net website, it looks like its from the early 2000s lol.

  We when with zeronet.co.nz earlier this year because it was 1/2 price for 6 months - slightly regretted it when they had an unplanned outage for over 24 hours (seems to be the same provider as Compass).

  I'm all for finding the best deal, though I absolutely despise door to door salespeople - out of principle I won't support them because then it will just encourage this type of practice. My wife was against the 'Do Not Knock' sign from Consumer, so we compromised with a video door bell instead.

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    Alan6984 on 17/07/2024 - 15:39

    +1

    I'm all for finding the best deal, though I absolutely despise door to door salespeople - out of principle I won't support them because then it will just encourage this type of practice.

    I totally agree with respect to the door-to-door sales thing - I have a personal policy of never buying at the door, and I never give to charities that do it too.

    In part, it is an authentication issue. Much harder / more hassle for me to authenticate someone who comes knocking at my door, compared to me knocking on their door / website.

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    drtekk on 17/07/2024 - 15:23

    I actually confused myself thinking this was Zeronet which I have heard of before so I signed up. When I checked the website later I realized this is a new company and the site doesn't really give good vibes. Would be good to hear good reviews on them.

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  kfr23 on 17/07/2024 - 15:45

  Unless you really need Hyperfibre, it's not worth getting especially from a company no one has ever heard of before.

  Looks like this offer might still be valid: https://www.cheapies.nz/node/45699

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  apieceofpie on 17/07/2024 - 16:14

  I usually avoid bundling but just switched to Mercury broadband yesterday as they have a 6 months free on 12 month plan, and they’re the cheapest power provider for me anyway on our friends and family plan.

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  scott on 21/07/2024 - 21:52

  What networking setup have you got? (or what are you budgeting to upgrade to multigig?

  If you are just going to run wifi, or a 1 gig wired network, there is little point of paying the extra money for hyper fiber, vs a common 1000/500 plan.

  Thanks for posting though…

  I'm tempted for when I come off my current contract. Currently paying $84 pm for gig with a static IP via 2 degrees. Already have Cat6 wiring in my house, but it would trigger me to upgrade a bunch of stuff to 2.5G ethernet.

  Note they have 2 different 2000/2000 plans

  https://360net.co.nz/plan-list/

  The "supersonic" plan offers "Latest Wi-Fi technology for better coverage and faster wireless speeds."

  The "supersonic with wifi 6" plan offers: "Wi-Fi 7 takes full advantage of the 6GHz band
  4x2.5 Gbps ports for Higher Performance
  More Fluid with 4x lower latency than Wi-Fi 6/6E Routers
  Latest Wi-Fi technology for better coverage and faster wireless speeds."

  I am guessing the reference to Latest Wi-Fi Technology in the supersonic plan may be an error, and it is just supplied with a wifi6 router. If you are planning to rent a router, it would well be worth the extra $5 to get the Wifi 7 one with 4x 2.5G